Early Trade Rumours 2023

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

Can't see WC offering pick 1 for Tim. He's not Chris Judd.

It is highly likely that pick 1 has a career less than Tim English.

Holding a player to his contract and being satisfied with reduced compensation when they do actually go a year later is like England claiming victory in this Ashes series. You might philosophically win in your own mind, but everyone knows that you've not actually won.

The tide has turned against clubs maintaining principles, if he wants to go this year and we can't change his mind then we should take the highest possible offer for him as it's not going to be any better in 2024.

What if holding Tim for the extra contract year brought us the 2024 Flag or letting him go effectively cost that flag?

Plus the entire landscape might change before the end of 2024.

We need to negotiate for our best position and I believe we are capable of winning the flag in 2023 and 2024 with the right coaching/team selection/game plan.

We must hold firm.

[Bornadog]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

It is highly likely that pick 1 has a career less than Tim English.



What if holding Tim for the extra contract year brought us the 2024 Flag or letting him go effectively cost that flag?

Plus the entire landscape might change before the end of 2024.

We need to negotiate for our best position and I believe we are capable of winning the flag in 2023 and 2024 with the right coaching/team selection/game plan.

We must hold firm.

I am with you all the way. We don't have any other viable rucks right now. Sweet is not the type of ruck Bevo likes.

I keep saying this tap ruckman are effectively dead unless they Hit to advantage and are good around the ground. Tim meets that criteria sitting 3rd on the list in the AFL and number one for around the ground.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

Imagine the Eagles trading Dean Cox in his prime.

[chef]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

So after all these years of developing we put into him he finally blooms and first big offer comes and he pisses off. Gee thanks Tim.

Can't see us getting pick 1 either so thats a real shit sandwich.

[Bornadog]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

So after all these years of developing we put into him he finally blooms and first big offer comes and he pisses off. Gee thanks Tim.

Can't see us getting pick 1 either so thats a real shit sandwich.

Yeah, don't blame Tim yet, he hasn't said anything - just rumours floating

[ReLoad]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

I’m all for trading him now.

Our midfield is 12-18 months away from falling off a cliff, getting pick 1 would change that scenario dramatically.

Grundy is certainly gettable and an adequate replacement.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

Tim's a good player but let's not pretend he's a match winner. He isn't.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

Tim's a good player but let's not pretend he's a match winner. He isn't.

Tim certainly could be a matchwinner.

I remember Jordan Roughead taking that mark from the kick-in after the disallowed JJ goal. That was a matchwinning mark. Tim is absolutely capable of that.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

So after all these years of developing we put into him he finally blooms and first big offer comes and he pisses off. Gee thanks Tim.

Can't see us getting pick 1 either so thats a real shit sandwich.

Not really surprised. I've been a bit concerned he, Naughts and/or Marra would leave for bigger offers since we drafted them. It's the unfortunate reality of being a small club.

Hopefully they can all buy into doing something together but most of the time the rumours turn out to be true. Nothing solid has hit the media yet though so who knows with this one.

[jazzadogs]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

I think we've seen that bargaining power is significantly reduced when a player is out of contract the last few years. If English is tempted by the massive offer (why wouldn't he be if those numbers are accurate) then we should just focus on getting the best result right now. But he is in contract, so it should be overs.

I actually quite like Bailey Williams at the Eagles, from what I've seen this year. He's battled well in a horrible team. I'd take a top 5 pick + Williams for English, plus whatever is needed to balance it (some draft points trade, as BT has mentioned?).

[Grantysghost]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

I think we've seen that bargaining power is significantly reduced when a player is out of contract the last few years. If English is tempted by the massive offer (why wouldn't he be if those numbers are accurate) then we should just focus on getting the best result right now. But he is in contract, so it should be overs.

I actually quite like Bailey Williams at the Eagles, from what I've seen this year. He's battled well in a horrible team. I'd take a top 5 pick + Williams for English, plus whatever is needed to balance it (some draft points trade, as BT has mentioned?).

It hurts but id accept it.

[GVGjr]

Re: Father/Son Watch

Let's talk about the Grundy as a replacement English scenario that is being mentioned here and I ask why does this work?
Grundy is still a good ruckman and I don't for one minute think he's cooked as some refer to him as but he's on a 1m per season and Collingwood are stumping up around 350k a season to have Melbourne take the balance of the contract off their books. That deal falls over if Grundy moves clubs. We might as well pay Tim 1m a season than Grundy in my opinion and remember we are supposed to be stumping up some money for Melbourne to take Hunter off our hands so I don't think they're in a position to cover enough of Grundy's contract to get me interested in a swap. If we want to talk about English being traded to West Coast then fine but the chances of Grundy heading our way isn't realistic from my perspective.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Father/Son Watch

Let's talk about the Grundy as a replacement English scenario that is being mentioned here and I ask why does this work?
Grundy is still a good ruckman and I don't for one minute think he's cooked as some refer to him as but he's on a 1m per season and Collingwood are stumping up around 350k a season to have Melbourne take the balance of the contract off their books. That deal falls over if Grundy moves clubs. We might as well pay Tim 1m a season than Grundy in my opinion and remember we are supposed to be stumping up some money for Melbourne to take Hunter off our hands so I don't think they're in a position to cover enough of Grundy's contract to get me interested in a swap. If we want to talk about English being traded to West Coast then fine but the chances of Grundy heading our way isn't realistic from my perspective.

Agree plus he's 30 next year. Big no for me.

He's not cooked however accepting a role with a team that has the best ruckman of the last 20 years probably doesn't fill me with incredible faith in his ability to make smart decisions; I wonder about his motivation.
I'd much rather have a crack at a young ruck that has similar traits to English.
Bailey Williams for eg as mentioned by JD.
Even someone like Darcy Fort on the cheap for a couple of years I'd prefer.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Father/Son Watch

A good example is Terry Wallace goes to Richmond when they had centremen. Was much better at a 3rd club being us.

There's a story behind that.

He was treated poorly by the Tigers. He said jam it.

[jeemak]

Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

It is highly likely that pick 1 has a career less than Tim English.



What if holding Tim for the extra contract year brought us the 2024 Flag or letting him go effectively cost that flag?

Plus the entire landscape might change before the end of 2024.

We need to negotiate for our best position and I believe we are capable of winning the flag in 2023 and 2024 with the right coaching/team selection/game plan.

We must hold firm.

Sorry, there's always a but......and the but is we'd need to have a contingency or recovery plan in place immediately.

I'm guessing that if Tim's out the door we already know it and would be planning for it accordingly. I am one of the posters who think his disadvantages/ limitations around here are a bit overblown and that he's extremely valuable to us and can be a matchwinner.